Turek vs. Hitchens during VCU in Richmond, VA finish at: www.vimeo.com Here Hitchens creates his arguments about sacrament as source of immorality. At 4:01 he creates an engaging indicate connected with the subject by the eremite of “something out of nothing” sketch upon the physicist Lawrence M. Krauss: if the star is building in the approach which obscures the origins than this explains which it didn’t sprung from “nothing” though is rsther than right away in the track which you only cannot sense anything “beyond …

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   “…everything posining religon for centurys people have twisted the verses and there meaning to get there accomplished for example during 1600s,1800s almost everybody was cant read and the bibles were put in a langauge…”

   Let’s be honest here – Based on this posting, I am beginning to wonder how you managed to read any of the bible. BlackAce1229, meet the English language – it appears as if the two of you have never met.

   Comment by Irish0583 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   Wow! Somone actually spammed your post, huh? Just goes to prove that there are some things that atheists just don’t wanna hear! Well done to you for talking sense.

   Comment by BloodOfRayne — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   He is not giving any evidence he just qouting from his book plus it is not religon posining everything its everything posining religon for centurys people have twisted the verses and there meaning to get there accomplished for example during 1600s,1800s almost everybody was cant read and the bibles were put in a langauge that only the priests and popes could read so they could say anything they want because the bible was taken out of the people hands so they just belive what they are told

   Comment by BlackAce1229 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   Those who feel they need the threat of eternal torment and torture to keep them moral need to be locked up for their own (and the worlds) good.

   Comment by randypagan — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   Marvelous! His most impassioned speech yet!

   Comment by gtaivpcvids — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   No worries, comrade.

   Comment by pitbull103 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   I apologize profusely, sir. You made your point very well, then, I would say.

   Comment by insectcalm — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   It was a joke — designed to show the absurdity of the position that morality comes from deities.

   Comment by pitbull103 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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   Yeah, but the rest of humanity possess something called empathy. I don’t believe in god and I wouldn’t do those things because I have felt pain and I have no desire to inflict it on other human beings. All your statement really proves is that deep down inside, you’re a real piece of shit.

   Comment by insectcalm — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    I am not saying that we simply inclined to do evil. We are naturally inclined to do things that are both good and evil because of evolution (which traits ensure better survival of the species). Just as we are inclined to love our parents (a good thing) we are also inclined to tribalistic mindsets (sometimes a bad thing) or, if you are male, just beating things up (could be evil or not) etc. Also being evil is a relative concept, since our morals change over time.

    Comment by GiDaOne — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    Then you are mistaken in using the term “human nature.” Human nature is that which is natural to humans. In order for your hypothesis to hold true, you must believe that all people are “inclined” to do evil (because this is natural to humans), and only those that are good “rebel” against this nature. Well, I take extreme offense to this assertion. I do not believe that I am naturally evil, and the good that I do is not a “rebellion” against what I am programmed to be

    Comment by Irish0583 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    But in the case of the Religious, even when there is a God, people do does things anyway, what’s the difference?

    Comment by Chigokai1080 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    By human nature I mean what we are capable of is probably inherent in our genes. Some people are more prone to some influences and actions than others because of genetic factors. The right conditions (environment)together with the right mindset may then trigger a specific action. This is of course just an inclination – we can still rebel against that. Those who commit evil are those that for some reason chose not to or have been otherwise convinced that what they are doing is necessary or right.

    Comment by GiDaOne — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    “Rather blame general human nature for evil”

    This is a VERY loaded statement which deserves, and in fact requires, explication. What is human nature? Remember that appeals to human nature imply that there are qualities natural to all humans- can you name qualities that, as Locke would say, “even infants and idiots” possess? Don’t forget that you have to prove that these qualities are not formed by experience. Do this and I will think about entertaining your assertion that human nature is evil

    Comment by Irish0583 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    It is very naive to think that the cause of most evil in the world is religion. There is a very small minority of extremists that call themselves religious that are doing this. The vast majority of religious people just want to live their lives peacefully, and many are involved in charity. Most charity organisations have religious roots. But yes, I also agree that accusing atheists of being immoral because of their non-belief is incorrect. Rather blame general human nature for evil.

    Comment by GiDaOne — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    If there were no god, I would immediately rape and torture all women and girls. I would also pluck the eyeballs out of puppies and drown them. After that, I would rob banks and commit mass murder. Case closed.

    Comment by pitbull103 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    He says everything you think, but in a way most grandiloquent and inspiring.

    Comment by wackid89 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    Wow- i’ve seen ole Hitch a few times but this may be the best speech/response yet.

    Comment by SmashTactics — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    “some even lower”

    Comment by burnhippiesforfuel — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    Hitchens is awesome. He just destroys religion. I love it……love it!

    Comment by rep300 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    Nice one, Carlin ftw

    Comment by omegavalerius — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    He supposedly drinks like a fish.

    Comment by AtheistRevolutionX — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    I pray to Joe Pesci, but Hitchens is next in line.

    Comment by EscpdFrmPsykward — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    And drunk. Very very drunk. And yet, completely correct ALL the time. It’s really amazing, isn’t it?

    Comment by EscpdFrmPsykward — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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    Hitchens takes his opponent apart all debate long. It’s sad.

    Comment by slapbox42 — August 15, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

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